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Birdie Cage
(@birdie-cage)

@lonespurjake -- you make an interesting suggestion........BUT

POOH!  What category would I get to shoot in???  B Western did not become real until 2005 and Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter (the purest form of old west shooting) did not become real until about a decade ago.    🤔 

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Posted : 12/02/2020 11:21 pm
lonespurjake
(@lonespurjake)

That's my point.  To have real competition in all categories, with the amount of members we have, you would have to get rid of a bunch of categories.  Look at all the categories we have had, for let's say the last 5 years, and how many competitors other than 1 have been in some of the categories.  I don't know what the answer would be to make all the members happy, but it appears we have a problem or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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Posted : 13/02/2020 12:18 pm
Lou Graham #26112
(@lou-graham)

We could skinny down the categories without leaving anybody out.  There are 3 shooting styles and 2 kinds of powder.  That's 6 categories, 12 if we have ladies in all of them.  That pares it down quite a bit.  BW shooter has to pick one way to shoot.  CC has slight disadvantage with larger caliber and extra clothes if they still choose to wear them.  Older people have to compete against younger ones.  It's not impossible.  A long, long time ago, I won CT state overall lady shooting black powder.  They said it couldn't be done, they said I was throwing away my chance to win, they said I was crazy.  They were right about that last one...…….

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Posted : 13/02/2020 7:33 pm
DustyEagle
(@dustyeagle)

For your consideration.

The attached file 'SFTS History.pdf'' shows the categories, the number of shooters in each category and the number of shooters that shot 6 or more matches for 2017, 2018 and 2019.  

Also shows the categories that had a 2016 Champion. 

Do not know how many SFTS Champions were awarded since some categories only had 1 shooter.

Older data not available from the web.

 

This shows that we average slightly over 20 SFTS Champions each year. 

Shows that the member participation is falling off.  Is this due to lack of interest, fewer members, or other reasons?

Would be interesting to see how many member we have that did not participate in SFTS.  How many total members have we had?

 

Note: the SFTS results for 2019 show 4 Silver winners that are listed as 2018 Silver winners.  Rules state “You can not win the Silver Buckle in the same category two years in a row.”

 

 

 

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Posted : 13/02/2020 8:18 pm
Birdie Cage
(@birdie-cage)

@dustyeagle

To clarify:  the 4 shooters you reference as "2018 Silver Winners" actually won their category in 2018 but had no qualified competition so they did not actually get the big silver buckle.  Those shooters got the Top Five buckles.  Hence, for 2019 they were eligible to get the big silver buckle because they won their category again but now had qualified competition = silver buckle.

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Posted : 14/02/2020 10:33 am
KennyReds
(@kennyreds)
Admin

Seems to me that if you really, really want to win a $100 buckle, you would choose your category carefully. If you choose to shoot in a category by yourself and you want to distinguish yourself by winning a competition, that ain't the way to do it.

SASS #83266

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Posted : 16/02/2020 3:53 pm
Windy City Red
(@windy-city-red)

I agree in part with everyone and certainly disagree with everyone.  This is getting way too complicated.  Who started this hornets nest and why?  WHY?

To expect there to be multiple same shooters in each and every  category for 7 matches is unreasonable.

To NOT have the members vote on this item is unreasonable.

To believe that the club won't lose shooters if you cancel  SFTS is a pipe dream.

As to single shooters in a category, I again believe that it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell how many are in a category until after the March match is over.

Therefore, sometimes your the fly n sometimes you're the windshield, so every once in a while the God's smile on you.  If you come to 9 matches in the heat, the cold and the rain, and you're the only one there in your category-you've earned  a damn buckle.

As to ties, it's can be quite simple.... if there's a tie at the end of December, have a 1 stage shoot off.  If one of the shooters is not there, they lose.

If there is a tie with 4 or 5 wins among 2  shooters take each shooters best time for that number of matches , not necessarily shot head to head, and lowest time wins.  Wow , what a concept.  That way if 1 member shoots 7 matches and 1 were to shoot 9 matches and they tie for 5 wins, their fastest time for 5 matches wins. Actually pretty simple eh?

Due to the obvious lack of visitors to the forum, so far there is only 7-8 of us and that includes Kenny, Birdie and Lou, if a vote is required, the membership should be given notice that there is going to be a vote for several months and then have a paper ballot vote at a match.  I volunteer to count the votes with anyone else.  

 

If you wanna call me for my opinion please dial "Quincy 55-55".

Thanks Windy

 

 

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Posted : 16/02/2020 11:02 pm
KennyReds
(@kennyreds)
Admin

I started this forum with the express purpose of getting the membership involved in the decision making process for the club. It seems that only 8 of us are so interested. So far, only about 30 people have signed up for the forum and not all those are members. I suppose that the board should come up with new, clarified rules for SFTS and be done with it.

SASS #83266

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Posted : 19/02/2020 3:20 pm
DustyEagle
(@dustyeagle)
Posted by: @kennyreds

I started this forum with the express purpose of getting the membership involved in the decision making process for the club. It seems that only 8 of us are so interested. So far, only about 30 people have signed up for the forum and not all those are members. I suppose that the board should come up with new, clarified rules for SFTS and be done with it.

May I suggest that an email be sent out to all members to let everyone know about the forum and ask that they review this subject.     

How many members do we have?

 

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Posted : 19/02/2020 3:29 pm
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